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RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:24:09 GMT

I will not dvell much on this last post except perhaps to thank for the "best wishes". I need those perhaps the most. To others that have read this thread I thank for input and time with attention. I do appologize for thrusting this garbage in your faces. It ends now. ;-)

With regards
Nonni
Iceland

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

SwiftWalker — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:44:45 GMT

Look, it sounds interesting. I understand the basic premise. I "get it" that there's an environmental problem with the disposal of waste material from slaughterhouses. In fact, I have experience with a company that uses a biological solution to solve problems with wastewater. I understand more about the science than most people do.

So, where does that leave us? There's a big problem. No one disputes that. And you say you have a solution for this problem. Fine. Good for you. But do I have any interest in jumping on board? Unless you're ready to pay me $250K per year and provide considerable equity in the deal, I have zero interest in taking you up on your generous offer.

And let me clarify this further. What you talk about is an opportunity. It doesn't mean it's the right opportunity for me (and for all the other people on this board). It just means it is an opportunity. There are literally millions of ways to make money in this world, but just because there are other opportunities out there, doesn't mean I have to chase after them.

Best of luck with this idea/project of yours. Please keep posting on our forums, let us know how it goes.

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:46:09 GMT

Hi Bill and Ben

I doubt the neccessity to enterpret my words as narrow as you seem to do but I´ll try and lay it out in clearer terms then before.

We have a situation where the slaughterhouses are beeing serviced by entities that rid them of a problem they all have. This problem is near to 40% of the tot. weight of all stock that passes these companies.
To get this service demands cover of costs and there lies the pot. income base for a new process service I posess but eventually gives the same result as the old services used today.

The old processes either consists of burning or bury the problem leading to a costly aftercare of the material in question. This is the main base for pricing the service rendered. Other drawbacks with both these methods are the facts that man has none or little controll over what happens to the combinative base of the material while in the destructive phase. This leaves us with environmental uncertainty that will become a much bigger issue then it is today even if it is a big issue now.

This is where my method differs from others in use. I can garanty total controll of every pound destroyed and at the same time controllable in each phase of destruction. My method can also garanty safe distribution of the final material left at process end. This is the main "purk" except for the fact that this new method promises savings in manpower and equipment.

Finally we have a sellable end product.

You ask about marketing and the reply to that is simple.

The service is needed and will be.

Can I deliver such sevice in a more environmental way ?
Yes.
Is the method better then the ones used ?
Yes
Does the service have an economical base now ?
Yes
Can I be cheaper then others today with same or better service ?
Yes
Is the method better designed for controll then others ?
Yes.
Do methods used today leave uncertainties to restproducts ?
Yes
Does my method leave such questions ?
No
Are factories bound by long term contracts ?
Most possibly yes.
Could we swiftly become players to ?
Possibly not

God forbid I ask you to jump in the lions gap as I am sure you will not in any case. I am even sure you haven´t looked to se what the subject is all about.
So
Hit me with specifics if you like

Reg.
Nonni

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Ben Rowland — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:19:26 GMT

I'll second that.

We certainly recognize the market opportunity, but without additional details it is hard to discuss to create interest.

The market opportunity is only a small part of the equation to making this technology successful. Much of it is the technology itself as well as the team that will implement it.

Ben

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

SwiftWalker — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:47:26 GMT

Nonni (3/21/2006)

The problem in USA alone constitutes economical movement in excess of 60 Billion $ yearly. Perhaps this is too much for you all to grasp but this is still a fact. I can´t understand what it takes to build interest for people like you, front runners, to be interested in grabbing such an opportunity to both make a difference and at the same time make a good economical future.

Build interest for people like us? I still have no idea what you're talking about.

I appreciate being called a front runner (well, I'm assuming you're including me in that group). I can't speak for my fellow front runners, but I'm not about to jump full force into something that is ill-defined. Why should I, or anyone else, give up lucrative jobs to chase your $60 billion "economic movement" when we don't know what the heck you're talking about?

Pretty please. With sugar on it. Enlighten us. Give us some details.

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:08:30 GMT

Buzz and laugh aside and beeing a concreate "party poop" I just wanted to make this final note.

I´ll be back with something simpler then. ;-)

Regards
Nonni

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Ben Rowland — Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:57:53 GMT

Another option would be Futurama's garbage ball idea.

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

SwiftWalker — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:42:09 GMT

As an aside, it's typically my tree-hugging, Prius driving, vegetarian friends (yes, I have those) who are the ones who struggle with being overweight. In some cases, grossly overweight. Maybe if we could get this one militaristic veggie to eat a steak once in a while, he wouldn't have to subsist on ice cream, Doritos, potato chips, and candy, and the resulting amount of packaging that he adds to Chicago's landfills would drop precipitously.

Speaking of recycling...I recall a high school teacher who talked about a technology (far, far into the future) that would essentially be a big conveyer belt that would loop in and out of our houses and apartments. All kinds of matter would be zipping around in the belt, and if you wanted, say, a steak and a salad and a bottle of beer, you hit a couple of buttons and the system would assemble the required atoms, and presto, you have your dinner.

Once finished eating, you'd dump the remnants into the system (along with any other household waste), and the system would continue for others.

Man! Wake me up in 500 years when we have that technology!

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:07:39 GMT

The mountain of waste ;-)

I´m afraid that perhaps my view´s in these matters don´t coincide with most others. I come from a smalll community with lesser need of fast food solutions and not as big a problem overweight is as it is in your region but it is growing.

My studies have been fishfarming among others and fish is as you probably know not as fattening as meat is but the problem of packaging is similar everywhere except perhaps in Russia, India and China and other countries that simply can´t afford the excessiveness of emballage and plastic/paper waste.

Since this is a problem we should somehow standardize the material used so we´d have only one type of paper product and one type of plastic. This would make it easier to recycle and sort and perhaps save some more of the vital forrest reserves we have left. Getting away from the problem is impossible but can be made more controllable with such means. We must also do more innovative thinking into what we can make from recycled material. If we´d find a universal use for such material we´d be much better off then we are now.

There is lots of work to be done.

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Ben Rowland — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:13:54 GMT

As far as waste goes, however, what is your take on our extensive use of convenience packaging? Certainly the amount of waste the average family disposes of has increased 10-fold in the past 50 years. It's always been my opinion that we need to reduce our dependence on fast food and convenience products, make smarter packaging using less material, and research materials that degrade faster. Thoughts?

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:48:58 GMT

You are so right. It is almost strange how easy it becomes if one changes with what attitude the problem is approached. Unsolvable problems become a task, a puzzle instead of beeing set aside with the notion of never solvable.

Perhaps we will be seeing more of that attitude and less of rigor mentality. I am sure we'd find solutions to old unsolvable problems that way.

Regards
Nonni

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Ben Rowland — Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:14:36 GMT

Many industries could adopt an approach of thinking of such undesirables as "assets." Take cars, for instance. When you get in an accident and total your car, the traditional approach is to think of it as waste. Insurance companies could think of these cars as assets instead of trash. One man's trash is another's treasure, right?

Ben

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:37:26 GMT

Epilog

In the beginning of this post I called upon interested people to look closely at my tale. I´d like to clarify a few points before I leave this discussion.

Firstly the constant problem of organic waste is dealt with by the slaughterhouses pay some entity or company to get rid of the excessive materia not usable in traditional way. This service carries a cost per ton of waste and this cost is billed to the slaughterhouse in most cases.

The entity or service unit that provides the service of destruction of waste normally has the waste burnt or buried and also that is at the cost of the slaughterhouses.

The waste itself has no actual value as materia and is troublesome to get rid of. Burning it demands some handling and the process itself costs energy instead of giving as most often is the intent when materia is burnt. Burial is another method and the downsides of burial is the loss of controll and insight to what happens to the waste while it is breaking down and how secure are we in regards to spread of infective bacterial or viral insidents.

As I point out the situation is costing all entities involved a X sum of money and ultimately we are the ones that carry these costs. firstly with pricing of food and secondly with indirect affects.

My proposals would eliminate both these processes in exchange for a new one and the outcome would mean that the waste would tranpose from worthless to value with a specific market as target. The industry would get rid of a costly problem and pay for it and this new processing industry would create another income by sales of regenerated materia. Simply a win/win situation.

I said my peace.

Regards

Nonni

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:03:12 GMT

Hi Ben

Perhaps you didn´t mean to. Then there is nothing to forgive.

The main question was if the innovateur often is the best entrepreneur to market his own work. Experience tells us that such is not the case. Successfull people that are both are very few and far between.

I do well understand that the shortest way to reaction to my innovation is refusal. Just as well do I understand that I needn´t worry of success but only if I am right. All my work says I am and it beeing a method to solve a humongous factual problem the curiosity of the market will seek me out and ballance the sheet, right or wrong.

I thought I had a reason to question if here was a place to be. I thought that, perhaps, you had made that choice for me.

Regards
Nonni

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:39:24 GMT

Quite right Manish
The ability to treat an innovation with form creation and economical scruitiny and then weigh it against the marketing aspects it holds, is what seperates the doers from the dreamers.
When I started working on this project I was often reminded of my shortcommings in vital basics that must build the optimal outcome.

The entrepreneur.

So I chose to build the product foundations on solid fact based on the need and then try and find my better man at knowhow I was missing.

Marketing the solution.

In the struggle for acceptance for a pioneering idéa one of the most common drawback from success is the work itself. You become so intimate with your work that it becomes more like a child or an identity to you then an subject of work. This means that the innovateur seldom has the objectiveness to forward his own idéa even though his findings are right.
Another drawback is the external demand that the innovateur folds his work in abjective economical figures. This is very often a demand that well falls outside the innovateurs mindset and experteese.

There are many obstacles to overcome but the biggest one are all the ones that never allow the unthinkable possible. These are the hardest to deal with because they break you down with narrow thinking and neagtivity.

The death of dreams.

Fortunately, with the IT age, we have found a way to get past many of these barriers in some details, not changing the needs, but allowing the voice and idéas to be heard and judged based on fundaments and by raising interest others might take on the parts that make the idéa fly.

The forum

Thank you for your reply

Regards
Nonni

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Ben Rowland — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:30:25 GMT

The successful entrepreneur is one who can not only envision the idea, but create the mechanism by which it comes to market and is successful. Making that leap is difficult -- but I believe the journey is worthwhile. Even in failure, the rewards are many.

Ben

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Ben Rowland — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:28:07 GMT

So if you are into environmental issues and need or want to make a difference and make money doing it why not introduce this solution in your community. There is a great need and the money is good and..... My method is sound. I´ll gladly be your parner.

Hi Nonni-

There was no sarcasm in my tone, though I understand that with online posts and messages it can sometimes be difficult to discern one's tone. Please accept my aplogy if I offended you.

Seriously, I think this forum would be an excellent place to discuss your idea further. Plus, you never know who might venture across your post. The worst that could happen is that you could get some constructive criticism. And, you never know how you might meet!

Best,
Ben

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

acceleweb — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:11:06 GMT

Back to the original question in the topic, my simple response is no. A product is one thing, but packaging the product into a beautiful wrapper and selling it, marketing it, pricing it, converting the value of the product into words, and developing a plan around it is something else. I think a good entrepreneur is not only creative from the products perspective, but has good honed instincts on how to present it to the public, investors, or whoever your stakeholders are and selling it.

An example is if computers came with no casing, but just electronic wires and silicon that works, people would be less inclined to buy it then with the nice casing hiding all the innards. This is the same with cars. I think an idea is the same way. Packaging it nicely and able to sell it takes some level of talent, beyond just creating the wires or the engine of the product.

Manish

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:08:48 GMT

Hi
I´d like to thank those that have read my posts here and have shown a positive attitude to my trials. I choose not to continue with this forum further.

Nonni

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 02:38:46 GMT

Hi Ben

How old are you ?
Send me the 100$ and an address and I´ll send you the script I want you to sign and then the secret to "fire" will follow.

Do we have an agreement ?

Regards
Nonni

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Ben Rowland — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 21:48:13 GMT

Nonni-

Okay, so what is this brilliant idea? We're all ears. If you are really after giving this idea to all of humanity, why not start by posting details to it here? We're hardly experts in this field, but if it seems viable, you never know who might read it.

To me, it sounds too good to be true, but I challenge you to prove otherwise.

Ben

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:51:15 GMT

Hi EhNonymus and thanks for the input.

I haven´t read these scripts you mention but basically I disagree with some parts of your statement. I think that all an idea needs to contain is to have " a sustainable advantage " weather or not it is bound in competiveness or economics. The fundamentals for the entrepreneur is to better life mindless to economics but since our world is based on economics in modern time we all tend to look at the subject from an economical point of view.

With this idea I have put forward I point out the solution we use presently is costly, ill advised and environmentall wrong leaving only costs as summarium. It is costly not only to the companies involved but also to environments and nature. The aspect of involving nature in the equation is not a welcome factor in most cases and very seldom involves other then a cost increasing baggage, unwelcome as such. This is not the case with my idea and if that would be the only measurement of its value it should suffice as value enough if sense would be the judge.

But... As you, so rightfully, point out. The economics are of most essence here as in other matters of entrepreneurship. If I have let down eight years in this idea and each slaughterhouse would pay me 100$ for this concept as one time payment I´d be content but they would save hundred fold this amount each year from now on and we would all be content. I have a hard time seeing them not beeing willing to let out such a small sum of money. The solution is not of a kind that should be kept a secret due to competiveness I, perhaps wrongly, think. Unfortunately for me most companies wouldn´t honor this though. They´d hear of the solution and use it and never give me another thought.

Regarding farms, within practises of using waste in the productivity, these only scrape the surface of what is needed to be done. Each animal put down leaves us with 30-40 % of its weight as potential waste and in USA alone I´d gather millions of tons are burnt or buried each year with only tens of thosands are reused in ecological farming. Fishing farming in it´s many forms could on the other hand swallow most of this dust my practice would produce.

Another factor many of us are not aware of is the need to be able to deal with bacterial and viral hazards of waste and my method includes solution to both. Getting rid of priones which are the prime cause for restrictions to reuse animal waste as animal feed.

Thanks for your input and for the willingness to lend me a hand. Appreciated.

regards
Nonni

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:47:35 GMT

Thanks Dr. VC for your encuragements.
Unlike most entrepren. I have come past the eagerness to "shine" with my brainchild. It is a solution to a vaste problem that plagues most western societies and the solutions that are used are both costly and second or third to best solutions leaving no value at the proces end.

Burning cost many more calories then it delivers and burial leaves many detailes with uncertainty. The solution I carry has incorporated methods that opens up the whoe process to testing from a-z. It can return value even from disposal of bones.

It would be most natural to take the next steps to make this all come too by starting up som entity shield and take the plunge into running this in a company. I choose not to. I have given it what I can easily give and that is time and investments that I can muster on my own but that is as far as I will go. In stead I offer who ever to talks that has the need to get rid of waste of this kind. What these talks can lead to does not much matter beiond my need to refinace my time and effort. Those that are most likely to need this are the slaughterhouses and the fish industry and with the onslaught of a possible H5N1 epidemic the problems a cadaverdisposal can become a grand problem. Keeping this in mind I hope that this claime I state will be enough to avake interest and I will not need to invest non excistent funding in starting a firm for commerce.

I aggree that governmental environment is much more talk then action and the need for this solution is with the actors of the food market I put my trust in them seeing the need to economically get rid of the waste with a profit instead of a loss as is the present state.

Regarding the Prius the only economic solution is talking to dad and ask him to pay for the gas. That is good sence since I trust you are not interested in switching to a bike har har har

Nonni

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

EhNonymous — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 08:01:01 GMT

If you haven't read any of Michael Porter on Competitive Strategy, its worth the time and energy to plow through. Fundamentally, the issue of any entrepreneurial idea is whether the concept has a sustainable competitive advantage in the marketplace, i.e., something that is distinctive and cannot be easily replicated or has barriers to entry. Good ideas are only good if someone is willing to pay for them, and if they can be copied easily, then they are only good for so long.

You also should consider farms, and particularly mushroom and earthworm farms for your product. As it is, these farms consume huge quantities of organic waste.

I will pass your post along to a friend who is with an "green environment" organisation. They may have an interest.

RE: Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Dr. VC — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:45:47 GMT

Sounds like a microbial solution you have in mind. Is that correct? There's really nothing to dispute: If you have a solution, and if there's a market for your solution...or more precisely, if you have the ability to market this solution and convince customers to us it instead of alternatives, then you have a chance.

Many VC firms have recently discovered so-called "green investments," so if you have a solution, if you can start a company without venture capital, there are definitely VC firms that you'll be able to approach when you're looking for expansion capital...and once you have proof of concept. Slaughterhouses (and any food processing plant), would be natural marketing targets for your product. These facilities often run afoul of local governments due to the amount of raw material they dump into the sewer lines. I'd recommend selling to for-profit businesses as opposed to municipalities. Government entities are extremely difficult to sell to.

I guess if you're still jonesing for a dispute, you can try to convince me driving a Prius makes economic sense

Is an innovative mind a good entrepreneur ?

Nonni — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:20:28 GMT

I have been "doing" ideas for as long as I can remember and have often fallen into the trap of thinking I was the best man to realize them as they came along. I´m still as poor as the day I was born which tells you the success of it all.

My post is not to try and raise funding at the promise of riches but more to tell of solutions that you could "do" instead of me even still though it is my work it will die with me without your help.

For a long time I have been working on a solution to organic waste and how these are disposed of. Burning or burial has been the method for such waste that is not directly usable but we are comming to the point where such solutions are difficult to manage for numerous reasons among those cost and space.

I have come up with a method that can plow through organic waste and when finished you are left with light powdery dust disposable or reusable directly as it is. This dust would have a reselling value of 2-3 $ a pound and among the customers would be the fishfarming industry.

The processes are 4-7 fold and the option to test each process is wide open so no waste content is hidden from environmental scruitiny if someone would feel there is a need for such.

In practical terms we have such problems linked to every slaughterhouse facility in the world and the values of disposed waste comming from these facilities are great each week of the year. Values that cost you and other consumers a "pretty penny" needlessly if my method would be applied.

Let us dispute.